zegel-marres

Marres

seal anno 1701

MARRES - MARES

FAMILY GENETICS

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zegel mares

Mares

seal anno 1762

De family clade Marres / Mares

FGC6634

De family clade is one of the three from the triple jump that comes from FGC6618. It happened in the time of Merovingians around the year 700. The Nolet and Slootmaekers families each have their own branch.

We haven a long (G treem), from which during 7,000 years no other branches have neen formed. The cause of this is completely unclear. The European population grew strongly at the time. Did there come, in our line, too few sons? Why are all side branches extinct. They have been predictable. We do not know.

Morech the ancestor in our branch was born in the first half of the fourteenth century, He owned land in the village Susschen near Maastricht. In 1388 he is mentioned for the first time, that is after his death. His widow will pay that year the obligatory landowner's tribute to the Hospice of Tongeren. His son Johan Marres acquires, according to a charter from 1403, the old stock of the knights of Boxberch.

Another Maastrichts charter from the year 1526 has been preserved.This assures the free trade in the duchy of Brabant to three brothers Marres van Heukelom. From one of these three Reijner Marres, 1490-1552. arise the two branches of our family Marres en Mares.

Maastrichts charter betreffende belasting vrijdom voor de gebroeders Matthijs, Jan en Reijner Marres, 8 augustus 1526

Reijner Marres, 1490-1552

From him arise the two family branches:

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Marres

FGC6628

The forefather of this branch is Matthijs Marres, 1525-1612. He still owns the old country in Zussen. He lives on a court in Heukelom, his descendants settle in the city of Maastricht. Maastricht.

Mares

YFS2975561

The forefather of this branch is Reyner Mares. He buys farmlands in Val-Meer for his offspring. They live here for a number of generations. Later they settle in the village Wolder located near Maastricht.

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The familial haplotypes

This are the results of the Y-DNA tests with 37 later 67 STR markers.
We call these series haplotypen.

Dys markers on a blue box   -   dys values in yellow   -   One genetic step in fawn   -   two steps in maroon.

 Stamvaders     Naam   393 390 19a 19b 391 385
a
385
b
426 388 439 389
i
392 389
ii
458 459
a
459
b
455 454 447 437 448 449 464
a
464
b
464
c
464
d
460 GATA
  h4  
YCA
  IIa  
YCA
  IIb  
456 607 576 570 CDY
  a  
CDY
  b  
442 438
 Reyner Marres 
  ±1490 - ±1560  
 J.W. Marres 
 1732 - 1794  
  B. Marres   14 22 15 15 10 13 14 11 12 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 22 29 12 13 14 14 11 11 20 20 15 14 17 18 33 40 11 10
  G. Marres   14 22 15 15 10 13 14 11 12 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 22 29 12 13 14 14 11 11 20 20 15 14 17 17 33 39 11 10
Peter Mares
1615 - 1686
 A. Mares  14 23 15 15 10 13 14 11 12 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 22 29 12 13 14 14 11 10 20 20 15 14 17 18 33 38 11 12
G. Mares 14 22 15 15 10 13 14 11 12 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 22 29 12 13 14 14 11 10 20 20 15 14 17 18 32 38 11 11

The duplication of marker 19 in 19a and 19b, both with the same values, was established for the first time with special techniques in Eugene (Boed) Marres' DNA sample and is now considered present at all DYS19 = 15 samples of the G2a2a subgroup. (2)

Genetic Distance

Genetic distance is the total number of STR markers that are different.

TMRCA

The time to most recent Common Ancestor (TMRCA), is calculated on the basis of the genetic distance. Each marker has its own average mutation rate, but when it concerns many markers one can assume an average mutation time. With 37 markers we take one genetic distance for every seven generations. We used Dean Macgee's Y-DNA Comparison Utility of ISOGG. (3)

Genetic Distance
ID Mrr B Mrr G Mr G Mr A
Marres-B 38 2 4 4
Marres-G 2 38 5 5
Mares-G 4 5 38 3
Mares-A 4 5 3 38

Used is the hybrid allele mutation model.
The number of markers is in green.

Time to the most recent ancestor (Genetical)
ID Mrr B Mrr G Mr G Mr A
Marres-B 38 180 450 450
Marres-G 180 38 450 450
Mares-G 450 450 38 339
Mares-A 458 458 339 38

By FTDNA used mutation rate is 0.0054.
probability is 50% that the TMRCA is no longer than longer then indicated .
average generation is is 32 years.

Tijd tot de gemeenschappelijke voorvader - Genealogisch
ID Mrr B Mrr G Mr G Mr A
Marres-B 38 224 384 384
Marres-G 224 38 480 480
Mares-G 384 440 38 320
Mares-A 384 480 320 38

The year of birth of ancestor Marres/Mares is 1490
The year of birth of ancestor Mares is 1615
The year of birth of ancestor Marres is 1759
The Average years of births of the paticipants is 1946.

The proven family relationship

The genealogically fixed distance between the two nephews in the Marres family is five generations. The genographic method calculates seven.

The genealogically fixed distance between the two nephews in the Mares family is ten generations. The genographic method calculates exact the same number.

In the article about the Marres family, published in 1990 in De Nederlandsche Leeuw, the ancestor of the Marres and Mares families is expected fifteen generations back. The genographic test estimates him between twelve and fifteen generations. This is within the expected time.

In conclusion we can say that it is convincing proven that the four genetically tested persons: two members with the name Marres and two with the name Mares indeed have the common ancestor that is presupposed in the literature and that these families Marres and Mares are branches of one and the same family.

Here follow the 68 markers of two members one of each branch.

Dys markers on a blue box   -   dys values in yellow   -   One genetic step in fawn   -   two steps in maroon.

  NAME   393 390 19a 19b 391 385
a
385
b
426 388 439 389
i
392 389
ii
458 459
a
459
b
455 454 447 437 448 449 464
a
464
b
464
c
464
d
460 GATA
H4
YCA
IIa
YCA
IIb
456 607 576 570 CDY
a
CDY
b
442 438 531 578 395
S1a
395
S1b
590 537 641 472 406
S1
511 425 413
a
413
b
557 594 436 534 450 444 481 520 446 617 568 487 572 640 492 565 505 635
 B. Marres  14 22 15 15 10 13 14 11 12 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 22 29 12 13 14 14 11 11 20 20 15 14 17 18 33 40 11 10 11 8 16 16 8 11 10 8 11 10 12 21 22 15 10 12 16 8 12 24 20 15 15 11 13 10 11 11 12 11 21
G. Mares 14 22 15 15 10 13 14 11 12 11 12 11 28 16 9 9 11 11 23 16 22 29 12 13 14 14 11 10 20 20 15 14 17 18 32 38 11 11 11 8 16 16 8 11 10 8 11 10 12 21 22 15 10 12 16 8 12 24 20 15 15 11 13 10 11 11 12 12 21

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Conclusion

The comparison of haplotypes is very useful to demonstrate a relationship within a family within a period of up to nine hundred years, approximately 25 to 30 generations, and when tested with at least 67 markers. The genetic distance will then always be less than 7. The reliability decreases very quickly over a longer period of time. The main causes for this unreliability are the revers mutations, but even more deceptive is the phenomenon of marker convergence in unrelated persons. This method may not be used between two unknown persons. (4)

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Mitochondrial DNA

In the mitochondria of the body cells of all living things there is a relatively small amount of DNA. This comes from the female egg cell. It is thus passed on by the mother to sons and daughters, but only daughters pass it on, the sons do not. This Mt-DNA is determined in our family member E.C.W.L. Boed Marres.

De opgaande lijn gaat van zijn moeder langs de families: Franquinet, Tielens, Corten, Becker, Geurts, Meyers en zo tot de oudste bekende voormoeder Maria Catharina Peussens, die geboren is omstreeks 1730 en waarschijnlijk te Maastricht, maar wellicht ook in het heuvelland buiten Maastricht.

Mt DNA is also divided into haplogroups by analogy with the Y-DNA, although they are biochemically rather different. It has been tested at Full Genomes, at National Geographic in the GENO2 beta project, and at 23andMe. Genografic gives as result: haplogroup N1a'd'e'l. The companies 23andMe and FTDNA appoint him differently as: 1a1. These seem to have different results, but this are only other codes.

Mt-DNA haplogroup I1a1 is most common in Germany and Switzerland, in Eastern Europe such as the Czech Republic, Poland, Estonia, in the Balkans in Slovenia, Bosnia, Macedonia, and Croatia, also many in Lebanon and in Ukraine.

Here are two MT-DNA pedigrees that are both slightly different.

Mt DNA trees

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AUTOSOMAAL DNA

Autosomal DNA is a term used in genetic genealogy to describe DNA which is inherited from the autosomal chromosomes. An autosome is any of the numbered chromosomes, as opposed to the sex chromosomes. Humans have 22 pairs of autosomes and one pair of sex chromosomes (the X chromosome and the Y chromosome). With a number of companies I have this determined on ethnic components. The results do not differ much from each other and can be found in the notes. (5)

Here the result of

FTDNA
B.M. Ethnic Makeup My Origins FTDNA

This picture gives an interpretation of my Family finder test. But unfortunately, in the first 8 generations of my pedigree, not one ancestor comes from Great Britain and from East Europe. There are also increasing gaps in my pedigree, but there is no indication to suggest that these nationalities have existed in older generations.

And yet this is a picture that makes you think. The test is done well, the results are correct, but the interpretation may have to be different. The genome particles are probably much older than assumed. And the causal relationship is very likely to be different.

In the first millennium of our era and perhaps even before that, many residents of what are now the Netherlands, Belgium, Westphalia and Saxony went to Great Britain. Many family members stayed behind. From Eastern Europe many came to Western Europe, they also left many family members behind. The connections are indeed there. It gives the prehistory of Western Europe over a longer period of time. My genome only serves as a source.

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GEDMATCH

This is a group of geneticists who carry out the autosomatic tests for the large companies. They searched for origins from thousands of years ago with the original inhabitants of Eurasia.

The oldest are the Altaic natives who stayed here on the tundra during the ice ages. After the ice ages around 10,000 years ago the hunter-gathererers who repopulated the European mainland from their refugia on the Mediterranean. The Neolithic farmers came from Anatolia 7,000 thousand years ago, and the Corded ware people Iron Age people arrived from the Caucasus 5000 years ago. The Huns also have some left traces.

Etnische herkomst B. Marres, Bron: GedMatch

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Gedmatch compared our family DNA with archaeological remains of hunter-gatherers and the first European Neolithic farmers. Below is a figure with the results in order of the established relationship with whom we share at least one CentiMorgan, a measure of kinship. (6)

In archaeogenetics, 1 cM is the lower limit for kinship. The higher this number is, the greater the kinship, so with more and thicker lines.

In the table below we are the most related to two Neolithic persons who lived 7200 and 3200 years ago in what is now Hungary. They are closely followed by a 7000-year-old discovery from Stuttgart, then a Luxemburger from 8000 years ago. Then a 45,000 year old find from Siberia and a North American Indian from 12,000 years back. His ancestors must not have crossed the Beringbridge not long before that time.

Striking is the large genetic distance to English, Scandinavians and Spaniards Here we seem to have hardly any common ancestors. The least we are related to a Brit - at the very bottom - with whom we share segments of 1 or 2 cM in five places.

GEDmatch-1cM-c

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Neanderthal genes

A nice test is the presence of Neanderthal blood. Our quantity is estimated, depending on the testing laboratory, between 2.8% and 4.8%, of which about 2/3 come from Neanderthals and 1/3 from another pre-modern human species, the Denisovans.

schedels noderne mens en Neanderthaler

Two Skulls, one of a modern man and one of a Neanderthal in Museum of Natural History in Cleveland. (7)

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The family DNA on a congress

At the International Congress for Genealogical and Heraldic Sciences held in Maastricht in September 2012, Dr. W. Penninx pronounced the opening lecture. He discussed the variants in the Y-DNA of the various branches of the Marres family and how small mutations in the Y-DNA can show near and distant family relationships, which is impossible to do with only genealogical and historical research.

He shows familial relationships that go back to the Middle Ages and even to the Neolithic. The results of the DNA tests in the Marres family serve as an example.

The motivation for launching the genetic study was our goal the expected but not yet proven genealogical relationship between the Dutch Marres and Mares families, if not to prove then at least with a maximum of security to make plausible.

Genetic Variation in the Netherlands in the Last 2000 Years-a

Genetic Variation in the Netherlands in the Last 2000 Years

It has always been assumed that the Maastricht families Marres and Mares were two branches of one family. We were able to demonstrate this relationship with DNA research.

When this goal was achieved, we used the genetic knowledge built up by this to find out our family history until prehistoric times. With the collected facts we hope to contribute not only to the national history of our country but also to the European and world history.

Many publications have appeared in the genealogical and heraldic magazines about the Marres family. In one of them, De Nederlandsche Leeuw of 1990, the common origin of the Marres and Mares family has been made plausible. (8)

The rise of the DNA research in this century offered a wonderful method to prove the supposed relationship. Five men from the Marres and Mares families participated in this genetic family research and did DNA tests: Boed, Pieter and Gilbert Marres, and André and (the late) Guus Mares and participated in several projects. (9)

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